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Posted by live627 on June 12, 2014, 02:32:06 AM

Several people still want to use the karma feature, which was removed from 2.1. Rather than leave those users in the dark (and I don't think they'd like to use the Likes feature (pun unintended), I decided to rebuild it as a mod.

Screenshots attached below.

This mod does not edit any files, partly due to the use of custom profile fields, but also because SMF 2.1 introduces hundreds of new hooks (haven't counted).

Open sourced under the MIT license. Link to project on GitHub: https://github.com/live627/smf-karma

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CountryLady on June 12, 2014, 02:44:44 AM said
Very considerate of you to do that. Way to Go!
ѕησω on June 12, 2014, 05:05:57 AM said
You've got mail.

-.-

It's not SPAM

:D

Or something like that :P. Thanks Live!
Antes on June 12, 2014, 05:09:33 AM said
Okay, this probably will be asked by other people in the future (especially people actively using Karma on their forum), what will happen to existing karma?

First of all we added option NOT to delete karma data from upgrade process so you are safe to upgrade, now question to OP, will your modification converts current data into its own? or just use the existing data?

Thanks for the modification :)
Ninja ZX-10RR on June 12, 2014, 05:25:36 AM said
I like this. If I ever upgrade to 2.1 then I think I'm gonna download it :)
Dragooon on June 12, 2014, 08:08:52 AM said
Oh yay :D. And it's a reference to the AOL mail client's mail notification
live627 on June 12, 2014, 08:39:18 PM said
Someone younger than me got the old reference :o
Ninja ZX-10RR on June 12, 2014, 08:56:07 PM said
Quote from: Antes on June 12, 2014, 05:09:33 AM
Okay, this probably will be asked by other people in the future (especially people actively using Karma on their forum), what will happen to existing karma?

First of all we added option NOT to delete karma data from upgrade process so you are safe to upgrade, now question to OP, will your modification converts current data into its own? or just use the existing data?

Thanks for the modification :)
You missed it ;)
live627 on June 12, 2014, 09:04:30 PM said
Ah yes. I'll write a converter soon.

Arantor on June 12, 2014, 09:04:53 PM said
It'll take two weeks, amirite? (ba dum tish)
live627 on June 12, 2014, 09:05:31 PM said
lol
Biology Forums on June 12, 2014, 09:14:54 PM said
Why was Karma feature removed?
Arantor on June 12, 2014, 09:20:10 PM said
Uncharacteristically I asked the users about it and explained my reasoning in the thread.
Kindred on June 12, 2014, 09:59:35 PM said
and do note, as SMF moves along, We're going to be doing that with several "features"
Ninja ZX-10RR on June 12, 2014, 10:00:37 PM said
Quote from: Arantor on June 12, 2014, 09:20:10 PM
Uncharacteristically I asked the users about it and explained my reasoning in the thread.
There are hundreds of thousands members and 33 people voted  :-\
Arantor on June 12, 2014, 10:02:25 PM said
There might be hundreds of thousands of members but they're not all active, nor do they all go into the Chit Chat board. Most members only come here when they need help.
Kindred on June 12, 2014, 10:05:51 PM said
besides - we're the ones making the system...   although we consider what the users want, as Arantor has pointed out before, we are also users... and we have ideas on what WE want as well. And with the mod system, removal of a feature like Karma or the Calendar is not an end to the functionality
Ninja ZX-10RR on June 12, 2014, 10:08:14 PM said
Yeah but I don't really consider it a poll with 33 votes anyway D: it's *way* too low. If it was like 100 at least but 33 no .-.
Next time could it be a good idea to make the topic global or something like that? At least a lot more people would vote ;)

Quote from: Kindred on June 12, 2014, 10:05:51 PM
besides - we're the ones making the system...   although we consider what the users want, as Arantor has pointed out before, we are also users... and we have ideas on what WE want as well. And with the mod system, removal of a feature like Karma or the Calendar is not an end to the functionality
Indeed no one ever said you can't vote in your own poll :D
Arantor on June 12, 2014, 10:12:19 PM said
Things like the calendar are particularly fiercely debated. There are many communities that do not use one. There are some that do - and invariably the ones that do, also rely on it quite heavily.

Breaking it out of the core has consequences for them. More importantly, it has all kinds of other consequences. It means you absolutely ensure your modding functionality is up to scratch. It has performance consequences. And probably most compelling of all, you can add to its functionality separately from the main core, meaning you can turn around updates to it separately of the forum - adding in functionality that users want without waiting for another major release of SMF.

On the other hand it also encourages doing things previously unheard of. Right now the calendar depends on SMF's posting routine; adding a new calendar entry with a topic ties them together and if so doing, it means every time you view a topic you end up looking for whether or not there's a related calendar entry. This is a non-trivial performance problem.

If you were to decouple calendar events from main posting, you would avoid that performance hit while still being able to do what you want to do with calendar stuff.
Kindred on June 12, 2014, 10:15:21 PM said
the poll was offered as a pancea, not a binding agreement.... to get an idea - and the choice was fairly clearly represented.

and, if 33 people voted, then that's 33 people who cared enough to vote...
As for global topics... nope. Those who care can view the development threads and comment - those who don't care enough will take what we make and go from there.


As for the calendar... as arantor says... there are VERY good reasons for decoupling it
Haren on January 20, 2015, 06:00:55 AM said
This may be one of the worst decisions made by SMF. Not the karma functionality, but the calender. My forum uses it very heavily, and if there are no immediate plugins with up-to-date upgrades as new SMF versions are released, it renders SMF useless to us.
Arantor on January 20, 2015, 06:05:24 AM said
Not being funny but you clearly didn't read the thread.

2.1 has not removed the calendar. It is still a core feature.

The point being made was that it has been fiercely debated both ways to remove it in a future version and make it a plugin - and at the same time make the plugin system much more reliable so it would be much saner to actually make it a plugin if it were actually done (and it would be available with 3.0 for that reason).

The calendar is a strange beast. It is used by a tiny percentage of the SMF userbase... but those that do, make heavy use of it. It is a maintenance nightmare, it has a number of bugs in it, it is also a performance hog (more than it needs to be) and a plugin with proper importer would make a lot of sense for various reasons.
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