I figured I'd let you all in on where we stand with 2.0.  We are itching to get the charter beta released and only a few bugs stand in our way.

There are a group of bugs related to the upgrader which was redone for 2.0.  Releasing 2.0 with a broken upgrader just isn't a good idea.  Once those bugs are cleared up we will be in a much better position to release 2.0 beta.

I haven't crunched the numbers but our the past few weeks we've dropped our total number of bugs (some of which don't affect 2.0) from 150 to under 120.  Considering that we've had new reports coming in during the same time frame I think we are doing good.

Now while 120 bugs sound like a lot, it isn't as bad as it seems.  A bug can actually be a feature request, a typo in a comment, a forum halting error, and everything in-between.  I went through the bugs marked for 2.0 last night and the majority where minor issues that shouldn't delay anthing.

Thanks all for you patience.

Just so I understand this:

• You're eager to get the charter beta released.
  
• Once those bugs are cleared up, you can release it.
  
• There are fewer bugs than there were.
  
• Most of the bugs shouldn't delay anything
  

Well, that certainly clears it up for me. 

Pretty much yep

sounds like a pretty succinct analysis to me

Part 3?  Just so I'm correct, the past two updates by Grudge were "Part 1" and "Part 2", right? :-P

(Dang, now this makes me wanna' be a CM).

Quote from: SySRoot74 on August 21, 2007, 03:51:18 PM
(Dang, now this makes me wanna' be a CM).

Nothing stopping you Nah, SMF 2.0 isn't out for us just yet..

we are waiting for your circulation wondering

Sounds like some good news and progress to the development team. All I have to do now is wait for the download to go online to the public

Sooooo......

A couple of days maybe?

Not likely.

Soooo.....

Couple weeks maybe?

Not going to commit to any time frame.

There's a 47% chance it will be released before an infinite number of years have passed.

Quote from: eldʌkaː on August 22, 2007, 04:15:11 AM
There's a 47% chance it will be released before an infinite number of years have passed.

I like those odds

Same here, those are some pretty nice odds, but I'd have to say that would be a 99.9% chance of being released when an infinite number of years have passed

What time smf 2.0 download released?

Quote from: forumgil on August 22, 2007, 07:07:49 PM
What time smf 2.0 download released?

It's done when it's done. This is great news. I can tell it will be soon though. I hope the team is satisfied with SMF2.0 because what a great software it is.

Also your not a charter member so you may be seeing it several months after charter members. You might want to consider it if you want it earlier than others.

Does the team have time to work on smf 2.0 when everyone is nagging...

-"when when when!!!" 

/jon

Quote from: shadow82x on August 22, 2007, 07:09:47 PM

Quote from: forumgil on August 22, 2007, 07:07:49 PM
What time smf 2.0 download released?

It's done when it's done. This is great news. I can tell it will be soon though. I hope the team is satisfied with SMF2.0 because what a great software it is.

Also your not a charter member so you may be seeing it several months after charter members. You might want to consider it if you want it earlier than others.

Much thanks for reply.

Demo site ?
Demo panel ?

I believe that this site is a demo site of SMF 2.0, though a demo panel like vBulletin and Invision Power Services has would be a nice thing to put up for people to look through before they download SMF

@forumgil

Yes this is a demo site but not always updated for the latest fixes. For info on SMF2 go to - News and Annoncement - Introducing SMF2. For more info on becoming a charter member go to: www.simplemachines.org/charter

Quote from: forumgil on August 22, 2007, 08:46:26 PM
Demo site ?

http://simplemachines.org/community simply put.

The Moderator and Administrator panels are top secret.

Na the screenhots give enough info away. I spy drop downs and a way you choose the layout. Enough to leave us drooling. What now ALM?!?!?

Shall I get you a towel?

Quote from: ALM on August 22, 2007, 10:02:26 PM

Quote from: forumgil on August 22, 2007, 08:46:26 PM
Demo site ?

http://simplemachines.org/community simply put.

The Moderator and Administrator panels are top secret.

Hello,

But for admin panels link good have

Please SMF 2.0 admin panel demo link giw me pls

Theres no demo site or forum set up as of right now.

Although if you look around here you can spot a number of the new features

This smf 2.0 Alpha for how mach money ?

New Charter member today.. Thank you for the update (I honestly thought the beta was out already for charter members, I didnt search long enough OBVIOUSLY) but whatever..

SMF is an awesome project and community..

Thanks again. and .. proud to wear the SMF charter member avatar

If you wait a few months SMF2 will be public free including all features. If you want it sooner before public and advanced support go charter member for $49.95.

Quote from: forumgil on August 22, 2007, 11:09:19 PM
This smf 2.0 Alpha for how mach money ?

SMF is free.. however.. the BETA version of 2.0 will be made available to Charter Members months ahead of the official 2.0 release..

The price of a charter membership is 49.95 and they take Paypal..

the process to become a charter member literally takes 30 seconds.. and that 49.95 gives you charter membership for 365 days

SMF 2.0 is not available right now to non-team/beta testers.

It is still somewhat unstable (including some bugs in the upgrader) so we cannot release it right now with it as unstable as it is.

But it will be released to our charter members only as soon as we can do so in good faith (this thread was intended to be an update to this), but it has not been released yet.

Then later it will be released to the general public.

http://www.simplemachines.org/charter/

i have paypal and for charter membership register today.

Language files ? turkish ?

and turkish help forum ?

Might be a little too late to post this, but:

Quote from: eldʌkaː on August 22, 2007, 04:15:11 AM
There's a 47% chance it will be released before an infinite number of years have passed.

I'd hit that

The Gods above one day told some crazy idiot to create a "search" where people can type something and have it be found. You should use that crazy guys idea, because he went insane.

http://support.simplemachines.org/demo/index.php

Quote from: SleePy on August 23, 2007, 12:59:40 AM
The Gods above one day told some crazy idiot to create a "search" where people can type something and have it be found. You should use that crazy guys idea, because he went insane.

http://support.simplemachines.org/demo/index.php

That's cool, but it's not v. 2.0. Honestly I would pay 49 bucks to become a charter member once again, but I would prefer looking a demo of what I would get firstly.

Quote from: Smith6612 on August 22, 2007, 08:48:09 PM
I believe that this site is a demo site of SMF 2.0, though a demo panel like vBulletin and Invision Power Services has would be a nice thing to put up for people to look through before they download SMF

http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=462

Why wait? There you can try out most of the open source softwares relating to forums and cms.

/j

Yes you can but they dont got SMF 2.0.........

Exactly SMF2 is not out yet. Maybe once it's released they will update it. It's not ready yet.. they only have screenshots. Sorry

Why would they release a demo of 2.0 beta before it's even fixed up yet? 



/doh

If you don't want to become a charter member and get the beta early that is fine. Wait the couple extra months before the public beta comes out.

Well said Sir

Quote from: Wal-Mart Security on August 23, 2007, 01:42:19 PM
Why would they release a demo of 2.0 beta before it's even fixed up yet? 



/doh

Well we've thought about doing a 2.0 demo, especially after we missed the June mark.  There wasn't any disagreement about it but it really boiled down to time and energy.  The time/energy spent on demoing up 2.0 was spent on fixing 2.0 bugs so the idea didn't happen.  Sometimes I wish I could slip out of space/time so I could do more

I wish I had a time machine, I'd make swotvac a month long!

Is SMF 2.0 going to be a nightmare in terms of updating 30 to 50 mods plus the many themes for the average forum board owner?

I don't believe the average user has 30-50 mods!

All mods will need to be rewritten but with any luck SMF will do away with the need to use many of them.

Themes will also need to be rewritten. The upgrader tries to update all installed themes at the time but it won't be foolproof and to get the new features you will certainly want to update the templates.

Regarding the theme side of things, I remember seeing another post saying that the theme used here (simplemachines.org/community) ISNT currently part of the 2.0 package, does this mean its simply using an updated version of the 1.1.3 default theme? I'm interested in renewing my CM (didnt realise it'd expired lol) and dont mind using a beta version (never had any serious issues with SMF beta's in the past ) - but my members will scream murder if they've gotta deal with a broken theme lol

Also, would it be too early to work on themes for 2.0? We're wanting to make a custom theme to match up the forums with our main website, and it'd make more sense to do this with 2.0 rather than doing a 1.1.3 theme and then having to upgrade it later.

It'd definitely be to early to theme for 2.0.  The first beta is just now out, and they developers are still adding more features and updating things.  I asked this same question myself and the answer I got was that the current 2.0 theme(nearly same as 1.1.3) will most likely get revamped by the time it's all released to the public.  The same thing happened when progressing to 1.0 to 1.1.

Talking about themes...

I'm in the process of making a modified theme based of the deafult with new images but it will be both for SMF 1.1.3 and SMF2.0.

OpenGL support n next SMF version?

Quote from: Sordell Media on August 29, 2007, 08:30:21 PM
Regarding the theme side of things, I remember seeing another post saying that the theme used here (simplemachines.org/community) ISNT currently part of the 2.0 package, does this mean its simply using an updated version of the 1.1.3 default theme? I'm interested in renewing my CM (didnt realise it'd expired lol) and dont mind using a beta version (never had any serious issues with SMF beta's in the past ) - but my members will scream murder if they've gotta deal with a broken theme lol

That is quite right, at the moment the decision to use this theme as the new default hasn't been finalised, and is still being discussed, keep in mind that the default theme that comes with 1.1 wasn't released until RC2.

Quote from: Sordell Media on August 29, 2007, 08:30:21 PM
Also, would it be too early to work on themes for 2.0? We're wanting to make a custom theme to match up the forums with our main website, and it'd make more sense to do this with 2.0 rather than doing a 1.1.3 theme and then having to upgrade it later.

If you want to update your own custom theme that you have for your own site, go ahead. I have already updated vSMFB-Multi-4 to 2.0, but renamed it to vSMFB-Multi-6 (5 has come and gone ), when Beta 2 comes out, just use File compare software on the defaults in Beta 1 and Beta 2 and you can add the differences in.

-ALM

Quote from: ALM on August 30, 2007, 03:54:09 AM
If you want to update your own custom theme that you have for your own site, go ahead. I have already updated vSMFB-Multi-4 to 2.0, but renamed it to vSMFB-Multi-6 (5 has come and gone ), when Beta 2 comes out, just use File compare software on the defaults in Beta 1 and Beta 2 and you can add the differences in.

We dont have our own custom theme as of yet, we were using Helios_Multi prior to the release of 1.1, and have since been using the default since I'm much more of a coder than a designer, and my designer has been busy with RL matters. As he's now eager to develop a custom theme, I basically was wondering if the SMF team had any major changes to themes planned, or if it was more likely to just be major updates/improvements/bug fixes from here to public release. After reading more about 2.0, I think I'll just err on the side of caution and get him to wait, at least until beta 2.

There are programs such as diff which you run via command line.

This may not be able to get all things but might be able to provide a patch file to upgrade you from beta 1 to beta 2 when beta 2 comes around.

Hello, this smf 2.0 have turkish language and turkish support ?

As this is the first beta of 2.0 languages are not fully translated to 2.0 yet.

But 2.0 still supports other languages as did we did 1.1

Quote from: forumgil on September 01, 2007, 01:27:59 PM
Hello, this smf 2.0 have turkish language and turkish support ?

Our support will be the same as its always been so I would not worry there. I have to agree with Grudge regarding the 40-50 mods. With the extra functions that are in-built within SMF this will mean that for many forum owners mods that are currently installed will not be needed.

For those mods that are still required they will need to be updated for 2.0. Infact, for most mod authors they have either updated mods (especially true for those that are team members) and others are currently or have plans to update mods for 2.0.

If you have questions I would contact the mod authors directly regarding plans for updating etc.

Man I know the calendar is like the lowest item on the list...but I hope it got some jack's Phat pack worked into it somehow..holding thumbs

In who.template.php, now you can sort out users online now

separating spiders from guests will be more usefull

By the way i didn't understand/know what's this XML in footer? When i click on that, i will get some messages and links etc... confused!!

I think its like an rss/xml feed of latest topics on here.

Will there be the current (1.1.3) default theme in 2.0? Because I'm rather attached to it

Yes

Regarding the theme change ...

For those who just HAVE TO upgrade the moment 2.0 is officially out, there's no advise, but for those who can wait, here's what I plan to do ...

Check out SMF 2.0 as a brand new install and also update my test site ... Throw out the mods I don't need and check out if the rest have been updated to work with 2.0. Then, I experiment with 2.0 and learn the inside out of 2.0 functionality while waiting for the perfect theme and set of mods to come along. Once they are here, redesign the entire site in accordance with the theme of my choice ... The whole process should be complete 3 months from the launch of 2.0 (which also gives me time to do small crucial updates like 1.1.1 > 1.1.2 > 1.1.3 which seem to come in with a new version) ...
How does that sound ??

I think it will be fine for 90% of mods.  I think it will be themes that will take a bit more time.

Edit: I think it will be fine for 90% of mods by the time SMF2.0 is released as already the necessary alterations/updating have been made to a good few. I think it will be themes that will take a bit more time.

A Correction to what Karl said, VERY few mods from 1.1 will work on 2.0 due to the new database systems the db_query for example is not defined anymore but is now $smfFunc['db_query'], so the actual chances of a mod working is probably less than 5%.

And unless you upgrade with a theme installed, themes wont be compatible. Period.

-ALM

oops, edited with that I was trying to say.

I realise that the mods as they stand are unlikely to work.  But that more and more are already being made compatible.

Although they may need updating/tweaking slightly again depending on beta 2, beta 3

Quote from: ALM on September 15, 2007, 07:46:21 PM
A Correction to what Karl said, VERY few mods from 1.1 will work on 2.0 due to the new database systems the db_query for example is not defined anymore but is now $smfFunc['db_query'], so the actual chances of a mod working is probably less than 5%.

And unless you upgrade with a theme installed, themes wont be compatible. Period.

-ALM

It is possible to manually update a theme though.  I have tried on 2 of my themes

Who would want to use a 1.1 theme when we'll have fabulous semantical 2.0 themes?

When this version can be released .. can you estimate the duration of this charter members ?
i cant wait it

When it's ready - timetables aren't given

Quote from: trocobob on September 16, 2007, 06:34:04 AM
When this version can be released .. can you estimate the duration of this charter members ?
i cant wait it

If you can't wait you can get the Charter Membership and get the first 2.0 beta right now

wow i cant wait to get my hands on 2.0....hmm still wondering whats this charter member?

http://www.simplemachines.org/charter/

Quote from: eldʌkaː on September 15, 2007, 10:54:22 PM
Who would want to use a 1.1 theme when we'll have fabulous semantical 2.0 themes?

someone who has customized a theme, for a better integration with his site.

Great. Can't wait for 2.0 beta. Im very excited :D

Quote from: ALM on September 15, 2007, 07:46:21 PM
A Correction to what Karl said, VERY few mods from 1.1 will work on 2.0 due to the new database systems the db_query for example is not defined anymore but is now $smfFunc['db_query'], so the actual chances of a mod working is probably less than 5%.

And unless you upgrade with a theme installed, themes wont be compatible. Period.

-ALM

Are all the functions contained in that array? o_o

Quote from: heavyccasey on September 17, 2007, 11:44:31 PM
Are all the functions contained in that array? o_o

$smfFunc? Not all functions have a reference in that array. I think most of the database functions do, in order to support database abstraction for multiple database support. Also the functions that used to be called with $func in 1.1, are now called with $smfFunc instead. Apart from that, many other functions are just called the regular way they were called in 1.1.

$smfFunc currently handles just the database abstraction and maybe another small thing or two, i believe.

I don't understand, what's the point of $smfFunc? Couldn't you just make regular functions?

Its actually a time saver and allows for better integration.

   When you load SMF it does work to figure out what type of database you are using and then sets that up with those variables. If we used actual functions, that work would need to be done every time you call that function. Which is a lot of overhead that is not needed.
   Just think of doing the same work over and over and over again. Here at simplemachines.org, to load the post page took 10 queries (keep in mind we use caching to reduce some of these queries). So that would mean that the function would need to 10 times figure out what type of database we are using, and setup the appropriate function for one use. And this is just would be for db_query. Lets not forget our db_fetch_assoc, db_free_result, etc that we use as well. So this could quickly rise in great numbers to how much unneeded work is done.
   The variable has the function name stored in it, Allowing SMF to do the work once when it starts up to figure this all out and then set them in the variables. Once it is done it can use the functions easily and correctly without having to redefine everything, saving lots of time and reducing the possibility of overhead for adding multiple database support.

   This simplifies things and makes it so less work is done, keeping our overhead down as much as possible for multiple database support.

   But lets not forget integration, This lets SMF bridge with other applications more easily and reducing the fact that a function may already be defined. I am seeing more web software that is implanting hooks to integrate do this to allow their software to work with others without having those dreaded function redeclared issues because of this. So as other software changes to use this they start picking common names that SMF already is using, so using $smfFunc makes it sure that only SMF will actually be using that or setting it up reducing this possibility, along with the functions setup with it.

Dynamic functions can be very useful! Just as values (numbers and strings etc) can be either unchanging (constants) or dynamic (variables), functions can also be dynamic. Just as you can write code to use a variable with any value (as long as it's the right type), you could use any dynamic function without caring about the code inside the function, as long as it has the expected interface.

Ahh... I see! Thanks for the clarification!

Yah I see this


Simple Machines are pleased to announce the first beta of SMF 2.0 has been released to our Charter Members. Visit the Simple Machines site for information on what's new


is this true and yah it's finally here when will SMF 2.0 Non-beta version come out

Quote from: pspmasterPRO on September 22, 2007, 10:50:01 AM
Yah I see this

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Simple Machines are pleased to announce the first beta of SMF 2.0 has been released to our Charter Members. Visit the Simple Machines site for information on what's new


is this true and yah it's finally here when will SMF 2.0 Non-beta version come out

It's true, do you read the announcements board? http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=190812.0

As stated many times, we don't give release dates, we won't even give an estimated date for a public beta or even know which release will be public. Basically, it's ready when it's ready.

why only to chatter members

lolz

Mod edit: removed 'random spam'

^ because its a BETA.

BETA software always needs a small group of testers to help iron out the bugs, provide feedback etc in a real environment.  Test environments are only useful to a point.

2.0 isn't ready to be public available.

Quote from: pspmasterPROOh I see and see bellow

Mods PLZ approve my new mod =

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=949

PLZ and thank you

Mod edit REMOVED RANDOM SPAM

mods are entered into a queue where they await review and checking by the customize team.  This process can take some time as various things are checked IE code-friendlieness and validity, security concerns, and ensurance that the coding guidelines are followed.

You will receive a PM when a customization team member begins reviewing your mod.

yah I dought my mod will make it cause it's my first

anyway you think that all mods will be compatible with SMF 2.0

like a 1.1.1 or 1.1.3 mod working on the 2.0 V of SMF

Quoteanyway you think that all mods will be compatible with SMF 2.0

any mods that make DB queries will have to be rewritten.
only a handful of mods currently have been remade for 2.0.

A guestimate of 5% has been posted of mods which may work straight from 1.1.3 to 2.0

Some only need minor changes.
Any with mysql queries will need alot more.

Already alot of 2.0 compatible mods have been posted for use by Charter Members. (although a relatively small percentage considering how many mods are in the mod centre)  Its also worth pointing out that alot of mod authors don't have charter, sothey won't be able to update their mods until they get their hands on 2.0.

*K1u waits eagerly for a public release*

Quote from: K0H_K1u on September 23, 2007, 09:04:22 AM
*K1u waits eagerly for a public release*

Always wanted to do this.

Hahaha, hahaha. I'm a Charter Member and you don't have BETA! Terrible person am I.

Quote from: christicehurst on September 23, 2007, 09:45:12 AM

Quote from: K0H_K1u on September 23, 2007, 09:04:22 AM
*K1u waits eagerly for a public release*

Always wanted to do this.

Hahaha, hahaha. I'm a Charter Member and you don't have BETA! Terrible person am I.

yah we now your a """"Terrible person"""" lolz hahahahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahhahaha

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I can only hope the author of the SMF - WP mod works on his to make it 2.0 compatible , considering WP is upgrading to 2.3 too

kullanıcıya nezaman çıkacak bu

Quote from: Reis_TÜRK on October 07, 2007, 01:18:48 PM
kullanıcıya nezaman çıkacak bu

can you please post in english

Quote from: eldʌkaː on September 15, 2007, 10:54:22 PM
Who would want to use a 1.1 theme when we'll have fabulous semantical 2.0 themes?

What exactly does that mean?

My suggestion for 2.0 would be that you drop the drop-down menus you've already implemented here in this official board, similar to the ones vBulletin uses. They are just plain ugly and either don't work at all or don't work well in browsers like Opera.

Is there an estimated date of release to the public as far as the 2.0 beta is concerned?

SEARCH is your friend .

to be completely honest, we don't even know when it'll be out.

When its ready and the devs feel it is functioning as bug free as it possibly can

Quote from: Dragooon on October 09, 2007, 12:54:14 PM
SEARCH is your friend .

Wordzilla's SEARCH is my best friend

Quote from: BlackMage on October 09, 2007, 02:06:48 PM
to be completely honest, we don't even know when it'll be out.

When its ready and the devs feel it is functioning as bug free as it possibly can

Just CAN'T wait for it 

Uffff! do why not released smf 2.0 normal members, do what time released?

It's easier to support say 1,000 Charter Members with their bug reports than it is for us to support 100,000 people with the same reports.

It will be released to the public. Don't you worry.

-ALM

cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn i neeeeeedddd ittttttttttttttttttttttt nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!

Then become a charter member.

-ALM

Quote from: mgimadu on October 25, 2007, 12:42:42 PM
Uffff! do why not released smf 2.0 normal members, do what time released?

Uffff! why not you patience?

Just wait like I did.....

HOMER: You? ........did?

I'm a geek. <ng-hey>

Quote from: christicehurst on October 26, 2007, 10:11:19 AM
Just wait like I did.....

You waited alright, Then got a charter membership because you couldn't

Quote from: SleePy on October 26, 2007, 06:54:38 PM

Quote from: christicehurst on October 26, 2007, 10:11:19 AM
Just wait like I did.....

You waited alright, Then got a charter membership because you couldn't

Wow, your detective skills amazes me

Quote from: christicehurst on October 26, 2007, 11:41:44 PM

Quote from: SleePy on October 26, 2007, 06:54:38 PM

Quote from: christicehurst on October 26, 2007, 10:11:19 AM
Just wait like I did.....

You waited alright, Then got a charter membership because you couldn't

Wow, your detective skills amazes me

lol

Is there a demo that we can at the very least try? (for us non-charter members)

As an admin no, as a user, you already are (here)!

You will get a trial when it comes out as a RC

I wouldn't call RC a trial run because by that point it's nearly stable, and pretty comparable to the final release.

-ALM

Quote from: Gary Ghoulsdon on October 31, 2007, 10:27:30 AM
I wouldn't call RC a trial run because by that point it's nearly stable, and pretty comparable to the final release.

-ALM

That's the best non charter members will get first off.

Quote from: christicehurst on October 31, 2007, 11:26:50 AM

Quote from: Gary Ghoulsdon on October 31, 2007, 10:27:30 AM
I wouldn't call RC a trial run because by that point it's nearly stable, and pretty comparable to the final release.

-ALM

That's the best non charter members will get first off.

I would expect at least 1 public beta.

Exactly, there will be a public release before it even hits RC.

-ALM

Please don't bite my head off with "it'll be ready when it's ready" but I'm in the process of overhauling my site which includes a new URL and swapping servers and it would be more work for me if I finish setting up 1.1.4 again and then find that the RC is released.

Is the RC likely to be released to the general public within the next month or so?
From what I've read I don't expect a definite yes or no but for the guys working on it, is there a chance or no chance at all?

Quote from: MkC on November 01, 2007, 02:03:00 PM
But what makes the police, fast I am testing the version 2.0, which we put me in prison....
It is cool, no panic I have never diffused a version Beta....
Just like that in the functions database for why package them not to have prevu the insert function?

We have closed betas for a reason. That reason is so we can provide the best focused support we can for something that is likely to be unstable. If you are working on something for a Charter Member that is running 2.0, you will need to ask that they post for support in the area we have set up for it. If you are running the beta release of 2.0 yourself, we cannot provide you support, sorry.

Quote from: _simon_ on November 01, 2007, 02:40:40 PM
Is the RC likely to be released to the general public within the next month or so?
From what I've read I don't expect a definite yes or no but for the guys working on it, is there a chance or no chance at all?

At the very least, there will be another beta before any RC is out. Given that, I don't think we'll have any public release in the next month.

Thank you for the quick reply. Motoko-chan.

I split some posts out of this topic. Please see:

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=203612.0

Quote from: SleePy on September 19, 2007, 01:17:06 AM
Its actually a time saver and allows for better integration.

   When you load SMF it does work to figure out what type of database you are using and then sets that up with those variables. If we used actual functions, that work would need to be done every time you call that function. Which is a lot of overhead that is not needed.
   Just think of doing the same work over and over and over again. Here at simplemachines.org, to load the post page took 10 queries (keep in mind we use caching to reduce some of these queries). So that would mean that the function would need to 10 times figure out what type of database we are using, and setup the appropriate function for one use. And this is just would be for db_query. Lets not forget our db_fetch_assoc, db_free_result, etc that we use as well. So this could quickly rise in great numbers to how much unneeded work is done.
   The variable has the function name stored in it, Allowing SMF to do the work once when it starts up to figure this all out and then set them in the variables. Once it is done it can use the functions easily and correctly without having to redefine everything, saving lots of time and reducing the possibility of overhead for adding multiple database support.

   This simplifies things and makes it so less work is done, keeping our overhead down as much as possible for multiple database support.

   But lets not forget integration, This lets SMF bridge with other applications more easily and reducing the fact that a function may already be defined. I am seeing more web software that is implanting hooks to integrate do this to allow their software to work with others without having those dreaded function redeclared issues because of this. So as other software changes to use this they start picking common names that SMF already is using, so using $smfFunc makes it sure that only SMF will actually be using that or setting it up reducing this possibility, along with the functions setup with it.

Why use a variable when you could use regular functions?

if ($settings['use_mysql']) {
function db_query() {...}
} ...

didn't you read the post?

QuoteWhen you load SMF it does work to figure out what type of database you are using and then sets that up with those variables. If we used actual functions, that work would need to be done every time you call that function. Which is a lot of overhead that is not needed.
   Just think of doing the same work over and over and over again. Here at simplemachines.org, to load the post page took 10 queries (keep in mind we use caching to reduce some of these queries). So that would mean that the function would need to 10 times figure out what type of database we are using, and setup the appropriate function for one use. And this is just would be for db_query. Lets not forget our db_fetch_assoc, db_free_result, etc that we use as well. So this could quickly rise in great numbers to how much unneeded work is done

Lol, this topic cracked me up  What an idiot! http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=203612.0

Anyhows, back to the point of my post! What I'd like to say is "when will SMF2.0 be available as RC?", but of course I know the answer that I'm likely to be given having read all the previous comments on here

I'm in the process of updating my website and plan to have it ready by February. One of the most important parts of my website is my SMF forum, however I'm wary of updating my 1.1.4 forum when I'll probably want to upgrade it shortly afterwards, so I'm looking for a few opinions from the experts ...

should I ...

• (a) hold off on development and hope that the first SMF2.0 RC is released before mid January?
• (b) take the plunge and launch with SMF2.0 Beta
• (c) not rely on SMF2.0 RC being out on time and stick to 1.1.4 until later?
• (d) use VBulletin instead?

I'm not currently a CM, but my (potentially) new co-admin is.

cheers,

PS: option (d) was a joke ... just in case some thinks I'm actually that silly

I'd stick to 1.1.4 unless you have a big website and could do with the 2.0 enhancements (newsletters etc), in which case I'd use the CM Beta. The RC won't be for a long time.

Quote from: distortedice on November 08, 2007, 12:28:42 AM
Anyhows, back to the point of my post! What I'd like to say is "when will SMF2.0 be available as RC?", but of course I know the answer that I'm likely to be given having read all the previous comments on here

Probably not within the month. There will likely be at least two more betas and I don't think beta 2 will be out until at least December, but of course I'm just guessing. It could be December 2008, even.

Quote from: distortedice on November 08, 2007, 12:28:42 AM
I'm in the process of updating my website and plan to have it ready by February. One of the most important parts of my website is my SMF forum, however I'm wary of updating my 1.1.4 forum when I'll probably want to upgrade it shortly afterwards, so I'm looking for a few opinions from the experts ...

should I ...

• (a) hold off on development and hope that the first SMF2.0 RC is released before mid January?
• (b) take the plunge and launch with SMF2.0 Beta
• (c) not rely on SMF2.0 RC being out on time and stick to 1.1.4 until later?
• (d) use VBulletin instead?

Option d!

A lot will depend on how much development time you are allocating and actually need. We won't be dropping support for 1.1. when 2.0 comes out. If a security bug is discovered, it will be fixed until such time as it becomes too resource-intensive or an unfixable fault is found that would require a massive rewrite. At least, that is the unofficial policy right now. If you can do everything you want with the 1.1. series right now, then you have a good option if you want to launch it quicker.

Also, note that if you are going to use a pre-release of SMF, you need to keep in mind that you will want to upgrade to the final release when it comes out, and there won't be a nice package for that like there are for 1.1.3 to 1.1.4 and such.

Thanks very much for the advice.

I'll be sticking with trusty old 1.1.4 then

Quote from: BlackMage on November 01, 2007, 11:30:16 PM
didn't you read the post?

QuoteWhen you load SMF it does work to figure out what type of database you are using and then sets that up with those variables. If we used actual functions, that work would need to be done every time you call that function. Which is a lot of overhead that is not needed.
   Just think of doing the same work over and over and over again. Here at simplemachines.org, to load the post page took 10 queries (keep in mind we use caching to reduce some of these queries). So that would mean that the function would need to 10 times figure out what type of database we are using, and setup the appropriate function for one use. And this is just would be for db_query. Lets not forget our db_fetch_assoc, db_free_result, etc that we use as well. So this could quickly rise in great numbers to how much unneeded work is done

I did

I understand now! I thought you were using create_function() *headdesk* xD

Charter Membership is really expensive. >>; Well, at least it's not as expensive as a vBull liscense that's for sure.

Quote from: iyeru42 on November 16, 2007, 07:21:43 AM
Charter Membership is really expensive. >>; Well, at least it's not as expensive as a vBull liscense that's for sure.

Its as a donation for SMF To run. You are not buying the software here, you are donating them and in-return they give you the access to a Beta.

And SMF 2.0 Is still in Beta 1, So I am sure they cannot handle to give a big splash and make it public. If you think Charter Membership is expensive, wait for the public release then.

Quote from: Motoko-chan on November 08, 2007, 12:52:54 AM

Also, note that if you are going to use a pre-release of SMF, you need to keep in mind that you will want to upgrade to the final release when it comes out, and there won't be a nice package for that like there are for 1.1.3 to 1.1.4 and such.

Pardon me, but I'm unclear on this.  Does this mean that there won't be a package to auto-upgrade from a pre-release version of 2.0 to the first RC version, and any upgrade along those lines will have to be done manually?  Also, when an RC version does come out, will there be an upgrade package available at that time to upgrade from 1.1.4?

There will be an upgrade path as always, but there will be no package manager package to do any upgrades between betas, RCs, or RC to release. You'll need to do the download, upload, upgrade.php thing for all that. (The only reason we did a 2.0 beta 1.1 package was because of a security issue.)

Once 2.0 is released, there will be handy one-click upgrades for within that series.

Thank you for the clarification.  I understand completely now.   

Have a good weekend!

Quote from: Motoko-chan on November 16, 2007, 06:17:39 PM
There will be an upgrade path as always, but there will be no package manager package to do any upgrades between betas, RCs, or RC to release. You'll need to do the download, upload, upgrade.php thing for all that. (The only reason we did a 2.0 beta 1.1 package was because of a security issue.)

Once 2.0 is released, there will be handy one-click upgrades for within that series.

Wait, you just said "within" that series. So, we can't upgrade from the 1.1.x series to 2.0 series from the Manager?

No You cannot. Because the changes are way to many.

Quote from: iyeru42 on November 18, 2007, 02:19:39 AM

Wait, you just said "within" that series. So, we can't upgrade from the 1.1.x series to 2.0 series from the Manager?

Thats correct you will need to upload the files overwroting the old one then using the upgrade/update.php to upgrade

with 2.0, we're talking nearly total change to the system. 

So much like 1.0 => 1.1, there will be only large upgrade packages.

Sub-branch upgrades will still be handled by package manager (ie 2.0.0 > 2.0.1 > 2.0.2 > etc.)

Take your time, buddy, better late than never!

ok maybe its me, but if you upgrade from 1.1 to 2.0, and those themes are converted, why not build a function that can convert them and do the entire theme site??! otherwise it just seems a waste of time to provide that sort of functionality, whit php and CRON it would be a easy task to do...

but again, maybe its me... 

because the upgrade script cannot add in the new functionalities for you in all themes.

what the script does is that it updates the language file indexes for you.  And then only those which are part of the SMF default, it can't update those which are not part of the theme itself, which would then of course not exist because you of course have to overwrite all of your files.

So it will not bring themes to work with 2.0.  It will do the heinous checking of the language indexes though and change those for you which still saves hours on hours of update work .

I don't mean to hassle you guys at all, but I was wondering if you can confirm whether 2.0 will have OpenID support. Because if it will, I am going to be very, very pleased.

Thanks

It'll have it but I'm not sure how wide the support will be.  For example I doubt it'll support https urls.  There is a lot that requires some hefty libraries to do properly.

Cool! Thanks very much. That shouldn't be a problem.

Amall query, Will SMF 2.0 Support the SAF-Multicolor theme ?

Unless the theme creator makes it SMF 2.0 compatible, the theme probably won't be 2.0 compatible.

The upgrader should be able to make the theme work with SMF2. You'll have to manually add in the new SMF2 features though if the author doesn't do any update.

where can i download that

Quote from: ftamafia.net on December 09, 2007, 10:03:42 PM
where can i download that

SMF 2.0 is currently a closed beta right now. Only charter members have access. Once we get some more bugs swatted and are comfortable that it works well it will be released to the public.

ok thanx