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2.0 Update Part 3
I figured I'd let you all in on where we stand with 2.0. We are itching to get the charter beta released and only a few bugs stand in our way.
There are a group of bugs related to the upgrader which was redone for 2.0. Releasing 2.0 with a broken upgrader just isn't a good idea. Once those bugs are cleared up we will be in a much better position to release 2.0 beta.
I haven't crunched the numbers but our the past few weeks we've dropped our total number of bugs (some of which don't affect 2.0) from 150 to under 120. Considering that we've had new reports coming in during the same time frame I think we are doing good.
Now while 120 bugs sound like a lot, it isn't as bad as it seems. A bug can actually be a feature request, a typo in a comment, a forum halting error, and everything in-between. I went through the bugs marked for 2.0 last night and the majority where minor issues that shouldn't delay anthing.
Thanks all for you patience.
There are a group of bugs related to the upgrader which was redone for 2.0. Releasing 2.0 with a broken upgrader just isn't a good idea. Once those bugs are cleared up we will be in a much better position to release 2.0 beta.
I haven't crunched the numbers but our the past few weeks we've dropped our total number of bugs (some of which don't affect 2.0) from 150 to under 120. Considering that we've had new reports coming in during the same time frame I think we are doing good.
Now while 120 bugs sound like a lot, it isn't as bad as it seems. A bug can actually be a feature request, a typo in a comment, a forum halting error, and everything in-between. I went through the bugs marked for 2.0 last night and the majority where minor issues that shouldn't delay anthing.
Thanks all for you patience.
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- You're eager to get the charter beta released.
- Once those bugs are cleared up, you can release it.
- There are fewer bugs than there were.
- Most of the bugs shouldn't delay anything
Well, that certainly clears it up for me.(Dang, now this makes me wanna' be a CM).
A couple of days maybe?
Couple weeks maybe?
I like those odds
Also your not a charter member so you may be seeing it several months after charter members. You might want to consider it if you want it earlier than others.
-"when when when!!!"
/jon
Much thanks for reply.
Demo site ?
Demo panel ?
Yes this is a demo site but not always updated for the latest fixes. For info on SMF2 go to - News and Annoncement - Introducing SMF2. For more info on becoming a charter member go to: www.simplemachines.org/charter
http://simplemachines.org/community simply put.
The Moderator and Administrator panels are top secret.
Hello,
But for admin panels link good have
Please SMF 2.0 admin panel demo link giw me pls
Although if you look around here you can spot a number of the new features
SMF is an awesome project and community..
Thanks again. and .. proud to wear the SMF charter member avatar
SMF is free.. however.. the BETA version of 2.0 will be made available to Charter Members months ahead of the official 2.0 release..
The price of a charter membership is 49.95 and they take Paypal..
the process to become a charter member literally takes 30 seconds.. and that 49.95 gives you charter membership for 365 days
It is still somewhat unstable (including some bugs in the upgrader) so we cannot release it right now with it as unstable as it is.
But it will be released to our charter members only as soon as we can do so in good faith (this thread was intended to be an update to this), but it has not been released yet.
Then later it will be released to the general public.
http://www.simplemachines.org/charter/
Language files ? turkish ?
and turkish help forum ?
I'd hit that
http://support.simplemachines.org/demo/index.php
That's cool, but it's not v. 2.0. Honestly I would pay 49 bucks to become a charter member once again, but I would prefer looking a demo of what I would get firstly.
http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=462
Why wait? There you can try out most of the open source softwares relating to forums and cms.
/j
/doh
All mods will need to be rewritten but with any luck SMF will do away with the need to use many of them.
Themes will also need to be rewritten. The upgrader tries to update all installed themes at the time but it won't be foolproof and to get the new features you will certainly want to update the templates.
Also, would it be too early to work on themes for 2.0? We're wanting to make a custom theme to match up the forums with our main website, and it'd make more sense to do this with 2.0 rather than doing a 1.1.3 theme and then having to upgrade it later.
I'm in the process of making a modified theme based of the deafult with new images but it will be both for SMF 1.1.3 and SMF2.0.
-ALM
We dont have our own custom theme as of yet, we were using Helios_Multi prior to the release of 1.1, and have since been using the default since I'm much more of a coder than a designer, and my designer has been busy with RL matters. As he's now eager to develop a custom theme, I basically was wondering if the SMF team had any major changes to themes planned, or if it was more likely to just be major updates/improvements/bug fixes from here to public release. After reading more about 2.0, I think I'll just err on the side of caution and get him to wait, at least until beta 2.
This may not be able to get all things but might be able to provide a patch file to upgrade you from beta 1 to beta 2 when beta 2 comes around.
But 2.0 still supports other languages as did we did 1.1
For those mods that are still required they will need to be updated for 2.0. Infact, for most mod authors they have either updated mods (especially true for those that are team members) and others are currently or have plans to update mods for 2.0.
If you have questions I would contact the mod authors directly regarding plans for updating etc.
separating spiders from guests will be more usefull
For those who just HAVE TO upgrade the moment 2.0 is officially out, there's no advise, but for those who can wait, here's what I plan to do ...
Check out SMF 2.0 as a brand new install and also update my test site ... Throw out the mods I don't need and check out if the rest have been updated to work with 2.0. Then, I experiment with 2.0 and learn the inside out of 2.0 functionality while waiting for the perfect theme and set of mods to come along. Once they are here, redesign the entire site in accordance with the theme of my choice ... The whole process should be complete 3 months from the launch of 2.0 (which also gives me time to do small crucial updates like 1.1.1 > 1.1.2 > 1.1.3 which seem to come in with a new version) ...
How does that sound ??
I think it will be fine for 90% of mods. I think it will be themes that will take a bit more time.Edit: I think it will be fine for 90% of mods by the time SMF2.0 is released as already the necessary alterations/updating have been made to a good few. I think it will be themes that will take a bit more time.
And unless you upgrade with a theme installed, themes wont be compatible. Period.
-ALM
I realise that the mods as they stand are unlikely to work. But that more and more are already being made compatible.
Although they may need updating/tweaking slightly again depending on beta 2, beta 3
It is possible to manually update a theme though. I have tried on 2 of my themes
i cant wait it
If you can't wait you can get the Charter Membership and get the first 2.0 beta right now
When you load SMF it does work to figure out what type of database you are using and then sets that up with those variables. If we used actual functions, that work would need to be done every time you call that function. Which is a lot of overhead that is not needed.
Just think of doing the same work over and over and over again. Here at simplemachines.org, to load the post page took 10 queries (keep in mind we use caching to reduce some of these queries). So that would mean that the function would need to 10 times figure out what type of database we are using, and setup the appropriate function for one use. And this is just would be for db_query. Lets not forget our db_fetch_assoc, db_free_result, etc that we use as well. So this could quickly rise in great numbers to how much unneeded work is done.
The variable has the function name stored in it, Allowing SMF to do the work once when it starts up to figure this all out and then set them in the variables. Once it is done it can use the functions easily and correctly without having to redefine everything, saving lots of time and reducing the possibility of overhead for adding multiple database support.
This simplifies things and makes it so less work is done, keeping our overhead down as much as possible for multiple database support.
But lets not forget integration, This lets SMF bridge with other applications more easily and reducing the fact that a function may already be defined. I am seeing more web software that is implanting hooks to integrate do this to allow their software to work with others without having those dreaded function redeclared issues because of this. So as other software changes to use this they start picking common names that SMF already is using, so using $smfFunc makes it sure that only SMF will actually be using that or setting it up reducing this possibility, along with the functions setup with it.
Simple Machines are pleased to announce the first beta of SMF 2.0 has been released to our Charter Members. Visit the Simple Machines site for information on what's new
is this true and yah it's finally here when will SMF 2.0 Non-beta version come out
As stated many times, we don't give release dates, we won't even give an estimated date for a public beta or even know which release will be public. Basically, it's ready when it's ready.
lolz
Mod edit: removed 'random spam'
BETA software always needs a small group of testers to help iron out the bugs, provide feedback etc in a real environment. Test environments are only useful to a point.
2.0 isn't ready to be public available.
mods are entered into a queue where they await review and checking by the customize team. This process can take some time as various things are checked IE code-friendlieness and validity, security concerns, and ensurance that the coding guidelines are followed.
You will receive a PM when a customization team member begins reviewing your mod.
anyway you think that all mods will be compatible with SMF 2.0
like a 1.1.1 or 1.1.3 mod working on the 2.0 V of SMF
any mods that make DB queries will have to be rewritten.
only a handful of mods currently have been remade for 2.0.
Some only need minor changes.
Any with mysql queries will need alot more.
Already alot of 2.0 compatible mods have been posted for use by Charter Members. (although a relatively small percentage considering how many mods are in the mod centre) Its also worth pointing out that alot of mod authors don't have charter, sothey won't be able to update their mods until they get their hands on 2.0.
Always wanted to do this.
Hahaha, hahaha. I'm a Charter Member and you don't have BETA!
yah we now your a """"Terrible person"""" lolz hahahahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahhahaha
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can you please post in english
What exactly does that mean?
My suggestion for 2.0 would be that you drop the drop-down menus you've already implemented here in this official board, similar to the ones vBulletin uses. They are just plain ugly and either don't work at all or don't work well in browsers like Opera.
When its ready and the devs feel it is functioning as bug free as it possibly can
Wordzilla's SEARCH is my best friend
It will be released to the public. Don't you worry.
-ALM
-ALM
I'm a geek. <ng-hey>
You waited alright, Then got a charter membership because you couldn't
Wow, your detective skills amazes me
-ALM
That's the best non charter members will get first off.
I would expect at least 1 public beta.
-ALM
Is the RC likely to be released to the general public within the next month or so?
From what I've read I don't expect a definite yes or no but for the guys working on it, is there a chance or no chance at all?
We have closed betas for a reason. That reason is so we can provide the best focused support we can for something that is likely to be unstable. If you are working on something for a Charter Member that is running 2.0, you will need to ask that they post for support in the area we have set up for it. If you are running the beta release of 2.0 yourself, we cannot provide you support, sorry.
At the very least, there will be another beta before any RC is out. Given that, I don't think we'll have any public release in the next month.
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=203612.0
if ($settings['use_mysql']) {
function db_query() {...}
} ...
Anyhows, back to the point of my post! What I'd like to say is "when will SMF2.0 be available as RC?", but of course I know the answer that I'm likely to be given having read all the previous comments on here
I'm in the process of updating my website and plan to have it ready by February. One of the most important parts of my website is my SMF forum, however I'm wary of updating my 1.1.4 forum when I'll probably want to upgrade it shortly afterwards, so I'm looking for a few opinions from the experts ...
should I ...
I'm not currently a CM, but my (potentially) new co-admin is.
cheers,
PS: option (d) was a joke ... just in case some thinks I'm actually that silly
Probably not within the month. There will likely be at least two more betas and I don't think beta 2 will be out until at least December, but of course I'm just guessing. It could be December 2008, even.
Option d!
A lot will depend on how much development time you are allocating and actually need. We won't be dropping support for 1.1. when 2.0 comes out. If a security bug is discovered, it will be fixed until such time as it becomes too resource-intensive or an unfixable fault is found that would require a massive rewrite. At least, that is the unofficial policy right now. If you can do everything you want with the 1.1. series right now, then you have a good option if you want to launch it quicker.
Also, note that if you are going to use a pre-release of SMF, you need to keep in mind that you will want to upgrade to the final release when it comes out, and there won't be a nice package for that like there are for 1.1.3 to 1.1.4 and such.
I'll be sticking with trusty old 1.1.4 then
I understand now! I thought you were using create_function() *headdesk* xD
And SMF 2.0 Is still in Beta 1, So I am sure they cannot handle to give a big splash and make it public. If you think Charter Membership is expensive, wait for the public release then.
Pardon me, but I'm unclear on this. Does this mean that there won't be a package to auto-upgrade from a pre-release version of 2.0 to the first RC version, and any upgrade along those lines will have to be done manually? Also, when an RC version does come out, will there be an upgrade package available at that time to upgrade from 1.1.4?
Once 2.0 is released, there will be handy one-click upgrades for within that series.
Have a good weekend!
Wait, you just said "within" that series. So, we can't upgrade from the 1.1.x series to 2.0 series from the Manager?
Thats correct you will need to upload the files overwroting the old one then using the upgrade/update.php to upgrade
So much like 1.0 => 1.1, there will be only large upgrade packages.
Sub-branch upgrades will still be handled by package manager (ie 2.0.0 > 2.0.1 > 2.0.2 > etc.)
but again, maybe its me...
what the script does is that it updates the language file indexes for you. And then only those which are part of the SMF default, it can't update those which are not part of the theme itself, which would then of course not exist because you of course have to overwrite all of your files.
So it will not bring themes to work with 2.0. It will do the heinous checking of the language indexes though and change those for you which still saves hours on hours of update work
Thanks
SMF 2.0 is currently a closed beta right now. Only charter members have access. Once we get some more bugs swatted and are comfortable that it works well it will be released to the public.